Treatise Answer To Churchs Remarks
| Author | John Wesley |
|---|---|
| Type | treatise |
| Year | None |
| Passage ID | jw-treatise-answer-to-churchs-remarks-001 |
| Words | 399 |
You, First, charge me with too much commending the
Moravians. That the case may be fully understood, I will
transcribe the passages which you cite from the Journal con
cerning them, and then give a general answer:
“She told me Mr. Molther had advised her, till she received
faith, to be still, ceasing from outward works. In the evening,
Mr. Bray also was highly commending the being still: He
likewise spoke largely of the great danger that attended the
doing of outward works, and of the folly of people that keep
running about to church and sacrament.” (Vol. I. p. 247.)
“Sunday, November 4. Our society met, and continued
silent till eight.” (Ibid.)
“Sunday, June 22. I spoke thus: Eight or nine months
ago, certain men arose, who affirmed that there is no such
thing as any means of grace, and that we ought to leave off
these works of the law.” (Ibid. p. 275.)
“You, Mr. Molther, believe that the way to attain faith, is,
not to go to church, not to communicate, not to fast, not to use
so much private prayer, not to read the Scripture, not to do
temporal good, or attempt to do spiritual good.” (Ibid. p. 257.)
You undervalue good works, especially works of outward
mercy, never publicly insisting on the necessity of them.”
(Ibid. p. 330.)
“Some of our brethren asserted, (1.) That till they had true
faith, they ought to be still ; that is, (as they explained them
selves,) to abstain from the means of grace, as they are called,
the Lord’s supper in particular. (2.) That the ordinances are
not means of grace, there being no other means than Christ.”
(Ibid. p. 247.)
“I could not agree, either that none has any faith, so long
as he is liable to any doubt or fear; or that, till we have it, we
ought to abstain from the ordinances of God.” (Ibid.)
“Mr. Br--d speaks so slightingly of the means of grace, that
many are much grieved to hear him; but others are greatly
delighted with him. Ten or fourteen of them meet at our
brother Clarke's, with Mr. Molther, and make a mere jest of
going to the church or to the sacrament.” (Ibid. p. 255.)
“You, Mr. Molther, believe it is impossible for a man to use
these means, without trusting in them.” (Ibid. p. 258.)
“‘Believers,’ said Mr.