Wesley Corpus

Treatise Answer To Churchs Remarks

AuthorJohn Wesley
Typetreatise
YearNone
Passage IDjw-treatise-answer-to-churchs-remarks-001
Words399
Means of Grace Justifying Grace Prevenient Grace
You, First, charge me with too much commending the Moravians. That the case may be fully understood, I will transcribe the passages which you cite from the Journal con cerning them, and then give a general answer: “She told me Mr. Molther had advised her, till she received faith, to be still, ceasing from outward works. In the evening, Mr. Bray also was highly commending the being still: He likewise spoke largely of the great danger that attended the doing of outward works, and of the folly of people that keep running about to church and sacrament.” (Vol. I. p. 247.) “Sunday, November 4. Our society met, and continued silent till eight.” (Ibid.) “Sunday, June 22. I spoke thus: Eight or nine months ago, certain men arose, who affirmed that there is no such thing as any means of grace, and that we ought to leave off these works of the law.” (Ibid. p. 275.) “You, Mr. Molther, believe that the way to attain faith, is, not to go to church, not to communicate, not to fast, not to use so much private prayer, not to read the Scripture, not to do temporal good, or attempt to do spiritual good.” (Ibid. p. 257.) You undervalue good works, especially works of outward mercy, never publicly insisting on the necessity of them.” (Ibid. p. 330.) “Some of our brethren asserted, (1.) That till they had true faith, they ought to be still ; that is, (as they explained them selves,) to abstain from the means of grace, as they are called, the Lord’s supper in particular. (2.) That the ordinances are not means of grace, there being no other means than Christ.” (Ibid. p. 247.) “I could not agree, either that none has any faith, so long as he is liable to any doubt or fear; or that, till we have it, we ought to abstain from the ordinances of God.” (Ibid.) “Mr. Br--d speaks so slightingly of the means of grace, that many are much grieved to hear him; but others are greatly delighted with him. Ten or fourteen of them meet at our brother Clarke's, with Mr. Molther, and make a mere jest of going to the church or to the sacrament.” (Ibid. p. 255.) “You, Mr. Molther, believe it is impossible for a man to use these means, without trusting in them.” (Ibid. p. 258.) “‘Believers,’ said Mr.