{"id":"jw/letters/1764/07-to-thomas-hartley","corpus":"jw-letters","type":"letter","author":"john-wesley","title":"07 To Thomas Hartley","title_alt":[],"text_basis":null,"date_composed":null,"date_precision":"unknown","date_note":null,"numbering":{"bicentennial":null,"jackson_running":null,"sugden":null},"source_edition":{"editor":null,"title":null,"edition":null,"place":null,"publisher":null,"year":null,"volume":null,"pages":null,"scan_url":null,"scan_page_ids":null},"transcription":{"derived_from":null,"corrected_against_scan":false,"corrector":null,"corrected_on":null},"modernization":"none","license_text":"Public Domain Mark 1.0","license_apparatus":"CC BY 4.0","wikidata":null,"prev":null,"next":null,"part_of":"jw-letters","editorial_note":null,"source_id":"jw-letter-1764-07-to-thomas-hartley","passage_ids":["jw-letter-1764-07-to-thomas-hartley-000","jw-letter-1764-07-to-thomas-hartley-001"],"word_count":547,"themes_auto":["catholic-spirit","christology","pneumatology","reign-of-god","scriptural-authority","universal-redemption"],"open":true,"closed_reason":null,"legacy_ids":["jw-letter-1764-07-to-thomas-hartley-000","jw-letter-1764-07-to-thomas-hartley-001"],"passages":[{"id":"jw-letter-1764-07-to-thomas-hartley-000","author":"john-wesley","source_id":"jw-letter-1764-07-to-thomas-hartley","source_title":"07 To Thomas Hartley","source_type":"letter","year":null,"chunk_index":0,"text":"To Thomas Hartley 4 DERBY March 27, 1764. DEAR SIR, Your book on the Millennium and the Mystic writers was lately put into my hands. I cannot but thank you for your strong and seasonable confirmation of that comfortable doctrine, of which I cannot entertain the least doubt as long as I believe the Bible. I thank you likewise for your remarks on that bad performance of the Bishop of Gloucester, which undoubtedly tears up by the roots all real, internal religion. Yet at the same time I cannot but bewail your vehement attachment to the Mystic writers; with whom I conversed much for several years, and whom I then admired perhaps more than you do now. But I found at length an absolute necessity of giving up either them or the Bible. So after some time I fixed my choice, to which I hope to adhere to my life's end. It is only the extreme attachment to these which can account for the following words in your Defence: 'Mr. Wesley does in several parts of his Journals lay down some marks of the new birth, not only doubtful but exceptionable, as particularly where persons appeared agitated or convulsed under the ministry, which might be owing to other causes rather than any regenerating work of God's Spirit' . Is this true In what one part of my Journals do I lay down any doubtful, much less exceptionable, marks of the new birth In no part do I lay down those agitations or convulsions as any marks of it at all; nay, I expressly declare the contrary in those very words which the Bishop himself cites from my Journal. I declare, 'These are of a disputable nature: they may be from God; they may be from nature; they may be from the devil.' How is it, then, that you tell all the world Mr. Wesley lays them down in his Journals as marks of the new birth Is it kind Would it not have been far more kind, suppose I had spoken wrong, to tell me of it in a private manner How much more unkind was it to accuse me to all the world of a fault which I never committed!","word_count":371,"source_url":null,"themes":["universal-redemption","catholic-spirit","scriptural-authority"],"created_at":"2026-01-29T20:02:17.672331"},{"id":"jw-letter-1764-07-to-thomas-hartley-001","author":"john-wesley","source_id":"jw-letter-1764-07-to-thomas-hartley","source_title":"07 To Thomas Hartley","source_type":"letter","year":null,"chunk_index":1,"text":"Is it wise thus to put a sword into the hands of our common enemy Are we not both fighting the battle of our Lord against the world as well as the flesh and the devil And shall I furnish them with weapons against you, or you against me Fine diversion for the children of the devil! And how much more would they be diverted if I would furnish my quota of the entertainment by falling upon you in return! But I bewail the change in your spirit: you have not gained more lowliness or meekness since I knew you. O beware! You did not use to despise any one. This you have gained from the authors you admire. They do not express anger toward their opponents, but contempt in the highest degree. And this, I am afraid, is far more antichristian, more diabolical, than the other. The God of love deliver you and me from this spirit and fill us with the mind that was in Christ. So prays, dear sir, Your still affectionate brother.","word_count":176,"source_url":null,"themes":["christology","pneumatology","reign-of-god"],"created_at":"2026-01-29T20:02:17.672368"}]}